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Josh Slocum's avatar

Jesus Christ.

Kate, I know that you don't want to make specific accusations, so these are my words, and I don't expect you to necessarily agree. As the son of a severely narcissistic and borderline mother (readers-Mommie Dearest levels of abuse, yes, I'm serious) both these women look like narcissists to me.

I call the behaviors you described "leading indicators." By that I mean, "A behavior so far outside the norm and reasonable decency that likely only a Cluster B would do this. It's not something a normal person would do on a bad day."

Bill Eddy, who runs The High Conflict Institute (worth checking out) has a formulation, too. He refers to these people as "high conflict," but most of the time he's talking about Cluster Bs while staying away from diagnostic language (I have no such scruple about it, but that's me). He asks people to think of the "90/10" rule. Ask ourselves, "what would 90 percent of people do in this situation." If the answer is "they would not have behaved this way," Bill says you've almost certainly identified a "high-conflict person."

In my terms, you've identified a clinical-level narcissist or close.

Your MIL's behavior is all I need to know to form a pretty accurate assessment of her character. I know these people inside and out. My mother was not the only such person in my life by a long shot.

And your maid? What awful, manipulative, unprofessional behavior. A woman her age should be ashamed of herself. She did take advantage of you, she knows she did, and she still tried to make you soothe her. Classic Cluster B behavior.

I understand why you were triggered--I was just reading this. I walked away from the computer and deleted my reactive response. *I know this in my gut because I grew up with this.*

You're right about boomers and millennials. Your generation was so manipulated and under-parented, and parented in the wrong ways, that your cohort is largely disconnected from reality and proper emotional functioning. The parents were not goddamned good enough by a long shot.

My generation, X, is not blameless either.

Take heart though that you are the fully grown up mature woman that your elders are not, and that many in your peer group are not. I've met a lot of you. Come sit at the Gen X lunch table eh? I'll bring the Corn Nuts.

PS-Those who react with "stop labeling people" are either feeling personally stung, which is their work not yours, or they're acting as enablers for people or themselves who behave this way. "Stop labeling" is very popular, but in real grown up world, it actually means "stop communicating specific information that does not flatter me. I am going to characterize your normal and reasonable attempt to categorize and identify patterns as 'being mean' to socially defang your point of view."

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Una Redcrosse's avatar

The truly tragic thing is that the child-led approach, while often motivated the way you describe, *still* makes kids responsible for figuring out how to satisfy their parents needs, but with even less clear information about what those needs are.

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